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Rabid foodie rambling

  • Mar. 12th, 2008 at 12:17 AM
Foodz0r!
I got bored tonight and started digging around on Vox. The Culture section is a great read, especially the Food and Drink section. It's like all the people who can write coherent posts are sitting in one place, writing about things I like! Unfortunately I found out what Delia Smith (an old-school UK TV chef) is up to these days, which is never a great thing. She may have given me some great tips on cooking eggs once upon a time, but what I read made me angry enough to write this post.

This may be a very touchy subject if you are:
  • a vegan or vegetarian
  • way more extreme about your animal welfare views than me (I'm at Animal Welfare League level, not PETA2 level)
  • the type that feels ill when they remember that meat = animals (I have met people like this)
  • the type that rolls their eyes whenever I start harping on about food again
In which case you may want to skip past the cut to the nice vegeterian foodporn. :D (Or not, if you're the fourth type.)

Sooo, Delia's got a series on the BBC called Delia Uncovered. Accompanying it is a cookbook, Delia's How to Cheat at Cooking, which promises to be one of the best-selling cookbooks ever published.

The reason this is a sad event for cooking shows is mostly in the ingredient lists. I'm all for quick meals on weeknights and I think frozen and canned vegetables can be a godsend, but cringe with me, guys. Mince in a can. Frozen mashed potatoes.

MINCE IN A CAAAAN

The recipes remind me of the recipes you find in Super Food Ideas (the very bottom of FPC's otherwise awesome cooking magazine hierarchy). Some of that stuff is... I wouldn't put it in my mouth. In a lot of cases it isn't that cheap, either. She uses canned quail eggs, roasted peppers, crab meat and lobster meat. Shit dude, I buy that stuff when I'm feeling rich!

The corner-cutting is wasteful at best. Really, is it that hard to defrost your frozen budget mince compared to taking it out of a... can?! I can only assume that some of these recipes also contain Delia's hallmark slatherings of butter, butter, cream, eggs and butter (the main reason I don't like her).

The other issue is that in opposition to the newer "food trendies" like Jamie Oliver, she has attacked organic food and supported the battery hen industry as a way to feed poorer families. The article's pretty sensational, but Delia seems to be an extremely influential person so anything she is vaguely perceived to support will have serious effects either way.

She says she's not getting involved in food politics, but celebrity chefs are the very reason we end up with jars of red and yellow roasted peppers in supermarkets. I have read enough bragging about this topic in food-related books to last a lifetime. What's wrong with using their influence for something a little more noble?

I think something's being lost here, though. There are two kinds of chicken breed used in agriculture: those that are for laying eggs and those that are for eating. "Battery chickens" refers exclusively to layers, as far as I'm aware. Regardless of the production method, egg-laying chickens tend to have a lighter build but produce bigger eggs, while meat chickens are the ones that bulk up well (even before they get pumped full o' protein and hormones) but aren't expected to yield eggs. Now with the way battery hens are born, live and die, I really doubt you'd have much edible meat left by the time they were done laying eggs. That meat usually gets processed into stock cubes or soup and I wouldn't expect it to be too "nutritious", as Delia claims it is.

The only conclusion I can draw from all this is that she doesn't know battery hens are used to produce eggs and dropped the phrase into a conversation about organic chicken meat, which is another battle altogether.

I certainly don't expect most people to know this stuff, but I fucking well expect an ancient TV chef who devoted an entire episode to EGGS to know something about how said eggs arrived at the table. Her comments could set back the advances that have been made with egg production - I can buy a pretty cheap half dozen of barn-laid or free range eggs these days - which many of us are hoping will eventually flow on into chicken meat production. Maybe I'm wrong and the UK uses battery hens to refer to all sorts of chickens, but Google seems to confirm my theory. But maybe this is just the beginning of The Delia Effect!

The Vox posts that started me off...

About the show: Delia is back....oh dear
About the book: 'Delia's How to Cheat at Cooking' Champions Laziness. Could the 'Delia Effect' be Damaging?
About the chickens: Two steps forward, One step back.

My point remains that YARGH MINCE IN A CAN.

Sigh. Anyway, it's perfectly possible for recipes to exist which contain cheap and readily available (even fresh!) ingredients, don't take long to make, are healthy and are delicious to boot! As proven by tonight's dinner. And I'll probably grab a copy of Nigella Express eventually - girl always knows what she's doing.

Tomato, onion and olive tart

Comments

[info]kinokofry wrote:
Mar. 11th, 2008 01:39 pm (UTC)
Argh, I fucking HATE Delia! God, none of that surprises me.

None of it except that... meat in a can is a thing that exists??
[info]pirochan wrote:
Mar. 11th, 2008 01:52 pm (UTC)
Oh thank god, you understand my pain!! ;A;

There's a photo of the meat in a can on one of the news links, I think? D-don't look, it hurts. When I was a kid I ate Spam and tinned corned beef, but man. Mince in a can for spaghetti bolognaise... I just can't fathom it!
[info]woekitten wrote:
Mar. 11th, 2008 02:04 pm (UTC)
You should visit America. They are the champions of meat in a can.

I'd love to buy more free-range products, but my grocery store doesn't offer very many. I don't think there's much demand in this particular area.
[info]pirochan wrote:
Mar. 11th, 2008 10:58 pm (UTC)
I know there's a shelf full of tinned meat products at my local supermarket, I just wouldn't consider buying anything off that shelf! :D;;;

Geography affects access to products where both you and I live, but the UK doesn't have quite as much of an excuse. There may be distinct class divisions but what Delia is doing is ridiculous... she may as well teach someone how to open a can of Spam, slice it and fry it in a pan; it's about the same as some of her other recipes.
[info]yummycoffee wrote:
Mar. 11th, 2008 04:12 pm (UTC)
I'd believe it. In Germany I hear they make a canned cheeseburger... D:
[info]saskia_dx wrote:
Mar. 11th, 2008 05:33 pm (UTC)
Have never seen canned cheeseburger around and it would surprise me, thats sounds more like US anyway XDD
[info]chibaraki wrote:
Mar. 11th, 2008 07:22 pm (UTC)
They definitely made it somewhere, and it wasn't the US, though I forget where... I just know my boyfriend really wants one.
[info]yummycoffee wrote:
Mar. 11th, 2008 09:25 pm (UTC)
Definitely not the US. XD
[info]saskia_dx wrote:
Mar. 11th, 2008 09:34 pm (UTC)
And not german ;) Haha, the guys from Swiss XDDD Really weird stuff.
[info]pirochan wrote:
Mar. 11th, 2008 10:49 pm (UTC)
Oh god the cheeseburger in a can... that got mailed around our office as a joke, with extra pics including the open cheeseburger! BARF it's so scary. XD
[info]tammylee wrote:
Mar. 11th, 2008 02:21 pm (UTC)
I am more horrifed by frozen mashed potatoes! IT TAKES FIFTEEN MINUTES TO MAKE MASHED POTATOES! (Well, maybe twenty depending on how big you cut your potatoes.)

I DO get Delia's point about organics being out of the reach of many poor families but the MORE organics are used the less they will cost; they only cost more right now because the demand isn't as high as it could be but she expressed herself very poorly.

Peas from Kenya? WTf?! You buy them in season then shell and freeze them so you can enjoy all winter. You don't NEED fresh shelled peas in the winter. What an extravagant waste. It's like demanding fresh strawberries at Christmas!

Ugh, it's like she's saying exactly what certain people want to hear and because someone famous is saying it they now can feel all smug because they were 'right'.
[info]kinokofry wrote:
Mar. 11th, 2008 04:01 pm (UTC)
I demand fresh strawberries at Xmas! Xmas is strawberry season in Japan!
[info]tammylee wrote:
Mar. 11th, 2008 04:14 pm (UTC)
Ha! Good point!
[info]pirochan wrote:
Mar. 11th, 2008 10:47 pm (UTC)
I'm definitely not the type who goes "we should all eat organic", but I really really detest battery farming and to me it's not even part of that argument. People who decide to be ovolactovegetarian aren't really gaining anything on the humane front if they're still buying battery eggs. Those eggs will always be there, sure, but the alternatives are there and they're competitive price-wise. Happy chickens lay much tastier eggs :{

And I just buy frozen peas! Freezing techniques suit some veggies better than others, and they work fantastically well on peas while keeping their nutritional value.

Wow, you guys are awesome! I really thought nobody would care about this rant XD
[info]saskia_dx wrote:
Mar. 11th, 2008 05:43 pm (UTC)
I have never heard from this woman before, but the text is funny...i under stand the "noble" reason behind this i-support-battery-hen-to-help-poor-people , but i don´t this will lead anywhere, and thinking about that makes me sick. I guess if she would say something like this here, there would be hell a lot of protest from all sides...
Though, as vegan, i of course just talk purely subjective :/

I support veggies in can :D
[info]pirochan wrote:
Mar. 12th, 2008 01:10 am (UTC)
But she's not even talking about the right production method, which will confuse her fans badly. And it looks like the EU agreed to ban battery cage farming by next year? Hopefully the Delia Effect doesn't mess with that too much...

I'm going to keep my own poultry flock some day *_* Yay for being a crazy bird lady.
[info]woekitten wrote:
Mar. 11th, 2008 08:14 pm (UTC)
I think this woman is bats. I don't pay a whole lot of attention to food celebs because I cook pretty basic (but good!) recipies, but I'm not thrilled with her mild "Oh God, no time to cook!!!!" hysteria.

People these days will look for any excuse to say, "I don't have time to do this," and she's not helping. It really doesn't take all that much time to wash and boil potatoes (don't peel 'em--the skins have vitamins!). Canned fish or meat of any type is revolting (I'll only eat tinned tuna) and God knows what goes into it. The very idea screams "botulism" to me. It really doesn't take any sort of time to thaw out and fry a package of hamburger. There are shortcuts to cooking, but she's teaching the wrong ones.
[info]pirochan wrote:
Mar. 11th, 2008 11:29 pm (UTC)
There are shortcuts to cooking, but she's teaching the wrong ones.

Exactly! It makes her look like she's running half-hour ads for supermarket products and not a cooking show (this is also the problem with Super Food Ideas).
[info]obsidianmcnight wrote:
Mar. 11th, 2008 10:37 pm (UTC)
Mince in a can is as gross as tinned chicken and tinned cheese. I can only imagine how bad it would smell when you open the tin, ugh.
[info]pirochan wrote:
Mar. 11th, 2008 11:28 pm (UTC)
T-TINNED CHEESE?! I don't even want to know ;_;
[info]eikitty wrote:
Mar. 11th, 2008 10:51 pm (UTC)
We have a similar abomination in the States. Her name is Sandra Lee and she is (in)famous for her series of "Semi-Homemade" cookbooks and TV show. The method to her madness is to make a meal that looks fabulous (taste be damned) using mixes, cans, prepackaged items, and the like. I'm sure she'd get right behind the mince in a can if it could be made to look pretty.

Some people hate on Rachael Ray for her use of frozen vegetables and canned beans, but at least she cooks them - and I will always defend her for that, because shortcuts are the way that the modern working person cooks. Unfortunately there's just not enough hours or energy in the day to harvest it all yourself when you only have 4-5 hours between getting home from work and going to sleep.

Delia Smith sounds like a combination between Sandra Lee and Paula Deen, who cooks in the Southern American style (read: butter, cream, cheese, butter, cream, more cheese) and is beloved for it by most folks, though I find her recipes kind of horrific.
[info]pirochan wrote:
Mar. 11th, 2008 11:36 pm (UTC)
Lawl, brand names and ® after every second ingredient in Sandra's recipes. You know who's paying her!

My favourite food mag is a little bit guilty of the brand name thing, but they're published by the supermarket I shop at - it's big business at work. I just ignore the brand names when shopping and buy what I think will be tasty without breaking the bank :D

As I said in the entry, frozen and canned veg are a wonderful shortcut, but it really depends on the vegetable. I'm never using canned mushrooms (straw mushrooms are okay) or asparagus again, beans and tomatoes are great canned, corn is better canned than frozen and peas are better frozen than canned.
[info]eikitty wrote:
Mar. 12th, 2008 02:33 am (UTC)
Yeah, I noticed that. The TV show doesn't have all the product placement - the one episode I sat through had cake mixes with the brand blocked out and canned frosting with the labels removed.

I have a cookie magazine that I like which is full of brand names. It's perfectly easy to substitute whatever brand I like (read: what is cheapest and tastiest).

I wasn't hating on anyone who uses canned or frozen vegetables. I do it all the time. It's just not feasible for me to do everything fresh when I have about two hours to cook (and that's when I want to take a LONG TIME) every night. Shortcuts are great, they just have a time and place.
[info]pirochan wrote:
Mar. 11th, 2008 11:43 pm (UTC)
And she hasn't always cooked like this, either! Which is why it's even more confusing.
[info]sb_mcinnes wrote:
Mar. 12th, 2008 05:18 am (UTC)
Mince comes in cans???? OMG! No way does that exist!!! That's sounds about as nice as a cheeseburger in a can!

And "frozen mash potatoes?" do they exist too? I guess they’re in the frozen food isle next to the frozen roast potatoes. Com'on people it a freaking potato!!! How had is it to boil and squash a potato to make your own mash?

I really thought that kinda "cheating cooking" and using canned food was like the old way of cooking. Delia's new book really sound like a backward step from the whole "Simple and healthy food from fresh produce" that Nigela, Ramsey and Jamie and pretty much every other TV chief seem to all promote these days.
[info]sb_mcinnes wrote:
Mar. 13th, 2008 06:01 am (UTC)
Oh dear God!!!!!!!!
http://www.pleasanthillgrain.com/canned_meat_canned_chicken_canned_turkey_canned_beef.aspx

I don't know what is worse, the product or the sale pitch.
[info]sekiria wrote:
Mar. 12th, 2008 06:19 am (UTC)
I have to second you on the "mince in a can" issue. WTF? Imagine the shelf life of those cans... and how long ago the animal that contributed to the ingredients was actually killed, before the can reaches most consumers and then how long before it is actually used. In terms of your personal health it can't possibly help to be eating animal bits that probably died years ago.
[info]natesoehardi wrote:
Mar. 13th, 2008 12:13 am (UTC)
It's biblical law!
Thou shalt not put meat in a can!
[info]natesoehardi wrote:
Mar. 13th, 2008 12:15 am (UTC)
Re: It's biblical law!
oh yeah delia smith's a tool. a 3 pronged screwdriver two phillips & one flathead. how the hell am i supposed to hold that??
[info]arabel wrote:
Mar. 13th, 2008 12:40 pm (UTC)
Filed under 'Gourmet Food' on Amazon.com: Sweet Sue's Canned Whole Chicken.

"From its size (think growth-impaired Cornish hen) to its overall appearance (it's stewed in a quivering mass of aspic goop), this product may change forever your idea of what constitutes a chicken. Gives new meaning to the old line about meat "falling off the bone.""


ARGH. WILL THESE PEOPLE NEVER STOP?

And on the chickens - that lady sounds all kinds of crazy, wtf. Are non-battery eggs really that expensive?

Edited at 2008-03-13 12:40 pm (UTC)

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